The weather is good today, and Li Jie stepped out of the navy camp. He has been living here for the past two days, mainly accompanying Zhang Dingbian and other guests. After all, there is no news on Zhu Yuanzhang, but according to Li Jie's estimate, Zhu Yuanzhang should agree to Zhang Dingbian and the others' request.

Li Jie, carrying a small bucket in one hand and a fishing rod in the other, soon came to the beach next to the water village. There were reefs everywhere and the water was very deep, but the waves were not big, and it was a good place for fishing.

However, when Li Jie came here, someone was already sitting on the reef and started fishing. Li Jie was not surprised to see the other party. In fact, he came for this person.

"Master Zou, what are you getting?" Li Jie sat down and sat down on a reef next to Zou Pusheng, and asked him while packing the fishing rod.

"The harvest is good. I caught two big fish. Li Bandu, do you like fishing too?" Zou Pusheng replied with a smile when he saw Li Jie.

"Of course I like it, but unfortunately I rarely feel as leisurely as Priest Zou, and I have time to enjoy the joy of fishing!" Li Jie sighed when he said this. Whether in his previous life or now, he seemed to be very busy and had no time to cultivate his hobbies.

"Haha, Li Banju, you are young and promising, and it is the time to make achievements. When you reach my age, you will find that there seems to be no better way to kill time except fishing." Zou Pusheng smiled again after hearing this.

At this time, Li Jie also threw the fish hook into the water, and then asked again: "Master Zou, I heard from Master Mu that you have been living in Penghu since you went to sea. I wonder what life is like overseas?"

Li Jie has talked with Zhang Dingbian in the past two days and has some understanding of the lives of people like Zou Pusheng and Li Hong. They live in Penghu. This Penghu does not refer to the Penghu Islands in later generations, but includes Taiwan Island. However, the Ming Dynasty called it Liuqiu Island. Zou Pusheng and others lived on Liuqiu Island, which was considered one of the early immigrants in Taiwan.

When Zou Pusheng heard Li Jie ask about his overseas life, he was silent for a moment, and then said: "Overseas are not as good as inland. There are swamps everywhere and dense forests everywhere. Not only are there beasts, but there are also natives who eat people. In addition, supplies are also in short supply, such as cloth, oil and salt, you can buy things like inland by spending money, but you have to rely on yourself for everything overseas!"

Taiwan during this period was not a treasure island in later generations. In fact, Taiwan has a tropical and subtropical climate. The island is full of rainforests and extremely harsh conditions. Although the Han people began to immigrate to Taiwan very early, their development of Taiwan is still limited, and most of the island is still in a very primitive stage.

"Then you should be able to trade in the inland with overseas products, right?" Li Jie thought for a while and asked again. The shortage of materials is indeed a big problem, but if you can trade in the inland, it can still be solved.

"How is that easy?" Zou Pusheng smiled bitterly when he heard this. "We who go out to sea have actually been classified as the gangsters. The court suppressed us, and the people also rejected us. Every time we ask someone to take the island's production to the port to move supplies, we will encounter various difficulties, and sometimes we may be arrested for labor."

When Zou Pusheng said this, his face became even more bitter: "Two years ago, the imperial court abolished the Penghu Inspection Office and even moved the people on the island into the interior, which made our lives even more sad. Some people even just became pirates. The reason why we know the Japanese pirates is through these people!"

"Has Penghu Inspection Department been abolished?" Li Jie was also surprised when he heard this news. The Penghu Inspection Department was first established by the Yuan Dynasty. Although it did not have a clear scope of jurisdiction, it generally included Taiwan Island. It was the first time that the Central Plains dynasty established an official institution in Taiwan. Zhu Yuanzhang was still established when he founded the country. Li Jie thought that the institution was still there, but he did not expect it to be abolished.

"It has been three or four years since the cancellation. When there was an inspection department, we complained that the inspection department had too much exploitation for us, but after it was cancelled, there was no one in the Penghu area, which led to even more chaos among the islands. Fortunately, we joined forces with Li Hong and recruited some people, and there were tens of thousands of people under our name, but no one dared to provoke them." Zou Pusheng sighed again at the end of his speech.

"Since life overseas is so difficult, why don't you go back to life inland?" Li Jie thought for a while and asked again.

"Go back to the inland?" Zou Pusheng smiled bitterly, "People from overseas cannot go back at all. One is that they don't want to, the other is that they can't."

"What does not mean not wanting, and why can't you?" Li Jie asked curiously.

"Although life overseas is difficult, there is at least one place to live, but the inland is already very unfamiliar to us. When we go there, we have nothing to do. Everything has to start from scratch. Most of the people who go out to sea have their own difficulties. For example, we are unwilling to betray the old master, and some of them have committed crimes on land, offended people, and had to flee to the sea. So unless we have to force it, we will never go inland." Zou Pusheng explained again.

After hearing this, Li Jie nodded understandingly. Zou Pusheng's words also represented the ideas of some coastal people. Before, Tang He wanted to let the coastal people move inward, and the number of people involved was more involved, and their ideas must be more complicated. If they were really forced to continue, I am afraid that I don't know how much chaos it would cause?

"Master Zou, I don't know if I should ask or not?" Li Jie suddenly fell silent for a moment, and then smiled again.

"It's okay to talk about Li Ban reads!" Zou Pusheng also smiled generously, but he could feel that Li Jie came to him not for fishing, but for something else.

"If there is any offense in this issue, please forgive me!" Li Jie bowed to the other party first, and then asked with a serious expression, "Life overseas is so difficult. In contrast, although the Japanese pirates are dangerous, they can eat meat and drink wine. Moreover, the Taoist priest said just now that some of you can't stand the suffering and went to participate in the Japanese pirates. Since that's the case, why don't you directly transform into Japanese pirates? Wouldn't you be able to live freely?"

As soon as Li Jie said that, Zou Pusheng's face changed, and he immediately said coldly: "Director Li, do you think we are? Although we are not talented and have to escape overseas when we are defeated, we are not willing to be a bandit who burned, killed and looted!"

"Master Zou is noble in character. Of course, I believe in your character, but have you considered the future?" Li Jie asked with a smile.

"What future?" Taoist priest Zou frowned and asked.

"Now you, Li Hong and others can still restrain their troops, but after a hundred years, on the one hand, you will live a difficult life overseas. When encountering natural disasters, you may not even have food and clothing. On the other hand, the Japanese pirates killed and set fire, but they live freely. What choices will these people make?" Li Jie pointed out directly.

The Japanese pirates also divided the real Japanese and fake Japanese. In the early Ming Dynasty, the real Japanese accounted for the vast majority, but in the middle and late periods, there were more and more fake Japanese, and most of these fake Japanese were Han people.

The reason why so many fake Japanese people appeared was that the policy of maritime ban was raised. At the beginning, the Ming Dynasty simply issued a maritime ban order to prevent them. However, the maritime ban destroyed the reliance on coastal people to survive. These people could not survive, so they simply became Japanese pirates. They were familiar with the terrain and caused even greater harm. In this regard, the Ming Dynasty could only strengthen the maritime ban again, which led to more people becoming Japanese pirates.

This is simply an unsolvable vicious cycle. The most fundamental reason is the maritime ban. This is why Li Jie fought against Tang He before, and he also wanted to prevent him from further strengthening the maritime ban.

It is also worth mentioning that the sea ban is not as expected by later generations. All ships cannot go into the sea. In fact, Shanghai ban only bans civilian ships, and official ships can still enter the sea. Therefore, during Zhu Di's reign, on the one hand, there was a strict sea ban, and on the other hand, it was a large-scale seven voyages to the West. However, because there was no support from the people and only relying on the emperor's decree to drive, Zheng He's voyage to the West was destined to end in a tragedy.

Zou Pusheng was a smart man. He suddenly showed a deep thought when he heard Li Jie's words. Although he didn't want to admit it, reason told him that Li Jie's analysis was very reasonable. If he did not intervene, after his death, his subordinates would either surrender to the Japanese pirates or simply become pirates themselves, and there was no other way to go!

Li Jie also smiled slightly when he looked at Zou Pusheng who was thinking deeply. His purpose had been achieved. The Ming Dynasty's sea ban was simply forcing Zou Pusheng and the others to be robbers. In fact, this was like Dayu's flood control. The sea ban was blocked and might play some role for the time being, but sooner or later it would cause greater damage. Therefore, if you really want to solve the problem, you can only use the method of evacuation.

Thinking of the sea ban, Li Jie also sighed. Although he temporarily prevented the sea ban from being further strengthened, it was not easy to let the Ming Dynasty completely lift the sea ban. Zou Pusheng and the others might be a good breakthrough, but he himself was not sure whether it could play a role.

I don’t know how long it took, but Zou Pusheng woke up from deep thoughts. He suddenly stood up and bowed to Li Jie and said, “Deputy Envoy Li, you have seen this problem and there must be a solution. Please help me and others!”

Seeing Zou Pusheng, who was over 60 years old, saluted him, Li Jie hurriedly stood up and said, "You are polite, Taoist priest, in fact, it is not me who can help you, but you yourself. After all, God helps you. If you don't want to change the status quo, it's useless even if others want to help you!"

"Director Li, what do you mean..." Zou Pusheng heard something in Li Jie's words, and seemed to be implying something?
Chapter completed!