Chapter 348 Tianyuan forces and corners (8)
After hearing some explanations from Shi, Gao Sunzi felt many doubts that he had never had before.
Mozi did talk about the relationship between inside and outside, the heart, things, love and profit, and what he loves and benefits before, but Mozi did not talk about it so thoroughly and deeply.
It’s not that Mozi himself doesn’t understand it, but that Mozi sees the disciples’ understanding too high.
Gao Sunzi asked in confusion: "As you said, how should we explain how to love each other and win each other?"
Shi stretched out three fingers and said, "I personally see that there are three explanations, and they all make sense."
"First, love each other, and everyone can achieve both love and love each other in their hearts, so as to achieve mutual benefit. Here love is inside, profit is outside, from inside to outside, and from the heart to things. Both love is the prerequisite for mutual benefit."
"The second is the ultimate goal of loving each other and benefiting each other. That is, everyone loves others with a heart of loving oneself, and everyone has the ambition to be in the world. Therefore, both love and benefit both inside. Outside, they also get the love of others and gain each other."
"Third, that is,... love each other and benefit each other... is just an external manifestation. Because no one knows your heart, who do you love? Who do you want to benefit? No one knows it. However, all this can be observed, and ultimately achieve a future where one person looks like everyone loves and everyone benefits each other. This can be observed intuitively."
These three categories are not classified by Mo Zi, but are classified by yourself in order to master the future interpretation rights.
The first is purely the pure spiritual fantasy of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and the rule of the Three Generations, which is completely separated from materiality and believes that everyone can reach a sufficient moral height in spirit and can build a paradise on earth.
The second type is an ideal, the ultimate unity of matter and spirit.
The third type...is completely denying the role of the spirit.
The first one is logically feasible, which was originally believed to be feasible in reality, but after the farce of the princes in Shangqiu war and the fact that the Chu State introduced the alliance of war, Gao Sunzi had actually completely disbelief that such a thing could be implemented.
So after listening to the appropriate division, he murmured: "It seems that the second explanation is naturally better."
Shi smiled and said, "It's really difficult. You also know, what is the slogan of the charity master's spear formation?"
When he talked about the spear formation of the righteous army, Gao Sun Tzu naturally knew that this slogan has been shouting since the beginning of the army, and everyone knows the spear soldiers of the righteous army.
It is a very familiar sentence "Everyone is for me, I am for everyone".
This sentence itself was first used by the spearmen of the spear array. It was spread throughout the world in "Three Musketeers". When Lenin launched Saturday's voluntary labor, he first translated it into Russian, and later he knew this sentence.
So much so that in his last life, there was a very funny Russian husband in the empty ear video, Lenin translated the words still pleasantly, and turned into Chinese, which was behind the empty ear - Baidi Holy Sword, the sword followed me...
The spearmen of the spear formation are most suitable for this sentence, because the battle formation, which relies very much on the formation, is an extreme manifestation of "everyone is for me, I am for everyone".
Anyone needs to rely on his partner teammates to protect him, and he is also protecting the rest of his companions.
Once this statement was put forward, it was not only very popular among the righteous masters, but also quickly became a common saying by the Mo people in Peixian County.
Because it sounds like Mozi's theory of "love with each other". I love everyone, everyone loves me, and I am among everyone, so I love everyone loves me.
Gao Sunzi seemed to understand what Shi said, and said, "You want to say that the people in the spear array may not love the rest of the people in their hearts. But in the eyes of others, they are just loving the rest of the people, and they seem to be in love with each other?"
Shi smiled and said, "They are the easiest people to believe that everyone loves me and I love everyone. Because from the perspective of utilitarianism and real profit, you can get real profits if you do this."
"So, I always feel that love and mutual benefit are the ultimate paradise. But this is a long procession, and it cannot be crossed in one step."
"The pain during this period is something that has to be experienced."
"The ninth level of the paradise is probably hard to overcome."
"The old suffering will be removed, and new suffering will also appear. Only after achieving the ultimate love and mutual benefit can all suffering be eliminated."
"But the giant once said that power, compared with small profits, big profits are profits and small profits are harms. Therefore, every progress is beneficial to the world."
One of the very important characteristics of the Mohist school is that it is utilitarian comparison. From the attitude of Wang Zilu, Mo Zi can see the clues: this person is okay, but he is still far from being a monarch with great kindness and righteousness.
In particular, Mo Zi attaches great importance to the word "power", weighs the pros and cons, and clearly points out that one thing must be considered, and chooses to implement it with the most profits but less harm.
In the end, this revolves around the concept of "benefiting the world" itself, and can be compared with a clear concept, program, and the future.
Mozi recognized that "love and mutual benefit" is the ultimate form of the world, but he is definitely not a person who only relies on verbal and reasoning.
He said he was an absolutely anti-violent pacifist? Mo Zi killed more people throughout his life, and he often incited to "help the people advance to fight and attack the unjust country", believing that launching a war against the unjust country is beneficial to the world.
He is said to be a Virgin full of compassion? The rows of "killing", "breaking", "slaughtering" and "clan" in the city guarding technique are vividly remembered.
When Mozi works, he weighs the pros and cons. Of course, there are standards for pros and cons. This standard is the world, and how does the world count as profit? What does the world include? The Mo family has its own explanation.
When Mozi said things like "No matter whether a person is old or young or noble or humble, they are all ministers of heaven" and "the king is a common agreement between subjects", this concept of the world must include "the common people, farmers, industry, business, slaves, nobles, princes and princes"...
Therefore, the pros and cons, under the measurement of utilitarianism, have become a relatively large and large addition and subtraction method: the benefits of the vast majority of people in the world are profit, and for this can destroy the benefits of a small number of people. However, people in the concept of Mohism are equal and include farmers, industrial and commercial enterprises. So who will benefit the majority? It goes without saying.
Since the Mohist school believes that it is necessary to pull out a hair and benefit the world, since the nobles of the Shiqian nobles are unwilling to take the initiative to pull out, they have to use violence to pull them out of the historical stage to benefit the world.
There may be some things that are not what Mozi thinks, but are corrected by appropriateness.
However, the Mohist school left by Mozi talks about logical reasoning, so it leaves infinite possibilities. According to the series of things given by Mozi, it is easy to be used to reason about the results he wants.
When it comes to big profits and small benefits, big harms and small harms, Gao grandson finally couldn't refute it immediately.
Just seized the opportunity and asked anxiously: "It's like... the current system of Pei County is a good government and a kind government for the world. Is it okay if it was in the era of Yao and Shun?"
This question does not need to be answered, nor does it require Gao Sunzi to think about it immediately, because Mozi had already given the answer.
Zi Mozi said: In Yao, he is good at governing, and he has been in the past. Since ancient times, he has been in the present, and Yao cannot govern.
Mozi said that Yao and Shun governing the world was good governance, which was from the current perspective, looking at the past, and considering the historical limitations at that time, he believed that Yao's policies were in line with the good governance at that time.
However, if you copy Yao’s policies directly and get them now, you will not be able to govern the world.
The original meaning of this sentence is philosophical, but when you get here, it is easy to combine it with the "nine-level paradise", the saying that productivity determines production relations.
The tall grandson was silent.
Shi said again: "Why did Yao not be able to govern since ancient times? Because the world has changed. In the era of Yao and Shun, just as the bridge and Yi Gong said that Luyang Gong had only stone tools, so Yao's policy was in line with the situation at that time, that is, the paradise of the time."
"If we use Peidi's current policy to go to Yao's era, but there are no iron tools, oxen, and seeds in Peixian now... then we will definitely have a great famine and chaos in the world."
"Is that true?"
Gao grandson nodded again.
Shi took advantage of the victory and chased him: "Zi Mozi also said: Therefore, one person means one righteousness, two people means two righteousness, and ten people means ten righteousness. The people who are here are here are here, and the so-called righteousness is here. Therefore, people are here are here, because they are not human, so they are not friends. Those who are wise and chaotic are born in the world, so they are chosen as emperors."
"Yao was the emperor and did good governance, so he could see that the 'righteousness' at that time could benefit the world."
"However, the giant said that since ancient times, Yao could not rule. In other words, Yao's 'righteousness' at that time was different from the 'righteousness' that could benefit the world now. Is that true?"
This is a perfect logical chain. Gao Sun Tzu learned from Mozi, so he naturally became accustomed to the logic of the Mo family. He thought about it and said, "This is irrefutable. But although the righteousness is different, the benevolence is the same. Yao and Shun must have a heart of loving the world, so that they can formulate good policies that benefit the world."
"They will naturally use the righteousness of that time when they live. They will naturally use the righteousness of the present. The righteousness of the present will naturally change, but love will not change."
Shi clapped his hands and said, "What is said is very true. However, it can be rationally inferred by the 'meaning' of the world's instruments. In other words, any official disciple of the Mo family can now know how the world should be governed in the era of Yao and Shun to be considered as the good governance of the land of happiness at that time. Is this right?"
Gao Sunzi nodded again, and was shocked. He knew that he had nodded and fell into a trap.
Sure enough, he asked: "If a person returns to Yao and Shun at this time, and adopts the rational administration that is consistent with Yao and Shun, then is it good governance? The benevolence in his heart cannot be compared with Yao, but the righteousness in his heart is consistent with what Yao thought. Will the policy be not good governance because he is not as good as Yao Ren?"
Gao Sunzi was silent, but Shi did not give Gao Sunzi the opportunity to organize language at all. He immediately said: "You are benevolent, but you also think that the idea of eliminating the nobles of the clan is correct. Isn't your kindness not being applied to the princes and nobles?"
Gao Sunzi immediately retorted: "But Shiqing nobles are the minority, not the majority in the world. Although I have no love for them, I love people other than them. You just said that you have to weigh the big profits and the small profits, and how much the world is..."
Shi laughed and said, "Yes, I finally talked about how many questions I have."
"If we talk about contradictions, the nobles of the clans and nobles have conflicts with the farmers on the land, the second is like black and white, and they cannot benefit each other. Those who have rich land also have conflicts with those who rent land and farm, and the second is like black and white, and they cannot benefit each other."
Chapter completed!