Since he said he wanted to see the old man, and what he had known and familiar to the man before, the old man in the era of King Weilie was Solusan and others, so he asked, "Will you want to see Solusan?"

The shorter man nodded and said, "I want to see you. I am from Benlu. I knew him when I was in Lu in my early years. We both became Mohists in the same year. We both met birds and studied when we went out for a trip."

These are old things. The friends who studied together chose two completely different paths under Shangqiu City twenty years ago. Now they are gradually drifting away, leaving only the memories of studying.

When he heard about this, he said, "That's it, I can tell you after I go back."

He also knew that if someone wanted to say something, he would tell himself that if he didn't want to say something, it would be useless even if he asked.

Although there are many rules in the Mohist school, they are not as much as they can’t even talk about their old friends in their private identities.

But there are not many things to talk about.

Most of his relatives had died, so he followed the young master for many years. When he followed Solusan to travel west, his immediate relatives in his family had died and had no worries.

I had nothing to ask about my own affairs, so I inevitably talked about some grand things, and told the man with some pride: "What the two gentlemen came to Handan today, and what they saw and heard, aren't they safe and prosperous? Although I have never been to Si Shang, I think that the beauty of Si Shang is far better than this."

The tall man laughed and said, "In my eyes, the people in Handan are seeking profits, and there is only money in my eyes. The wine shop is talking about the words of brokers, and after drinking, they are talking about the price of gold, silver, pearls and jade. Everyone seeks profits and has never seen justice."

"It is precisely because farmers are not as good as workers, workers are not as good as merchants, and embroidery is not as good as relying on the market. Women seek profit, but their achievements in embroidery are not as good as relying on the door to sell laughter. This kind of worldly style, those who laugh at the poor but do not relying on the market to sell laughter, this glory... is probably far from the meaning of Mozi back then?"

When the man heard this, he didn't care that he would call the two of them more than ten years ago and could not help but use some words he learned on the way to refute: "Right is profit. Mo wants to benefit the world, so he must have righteousness in his heart, but he does not need everyone in the world to have the will to be the best in the world. Mo is a pioneer and cannot be with the people."

"Besides, Zi Mozi also said that righteousness will be profitable as a throne. Shizi also said that if you are in charge, the good ones will benefit you, then teach you, then be neatly, and the lowest ones will compete with you."

"Everyone benefits are to benefit the world. Besides, in the past few years, Handan has measured by the three forms of the Mohist school. People are rich and goods are increasing. If Zi Mozi can see it, they will definitely praise him for good. How can it be far from Mozi's meaning?"

"What's wrong with everyone seeking profit, as long as it doesn't harm others' benefits? Could it be that after the two gentlemen rebelled against Mo, they actually studied Confucianism, thinking that people's hearts are not old now, the world is getting worse, and the etiquette is collapsed and the music is broken?"

When it comes to some beliefs, the words become more intense. Once you refute them, they are all the understanding and results after learning in recent years.

The tall man's face remained unchanged, but he was secretly surprised and said to himself: "This man did not leave an impression on me back then, which shows that he was just a middle-aged man. Now I cannot refute these remarks. I heard that after the gathering of Shangqiu, this person reorganized the system and was in charge of Xuanyi, so that the superiors and subordinates knew the righteousness, and they were indeed extraordinary."

"If we look at talent, there are not as many people in front of me as I am. However, what he has learned and heard in the Mohist organization has been like this for only ten years... It is really terrible."

Thinking of this, the tall man did not refute positively, but instead asked in a quibble manner: "Since it is correct to say that seeking profit is correct, what is the difference?"

"Ordinary people, such as farmers, workers, merchants, and merchants, have 10,000 yuan, and the interest rate per year can be 2,000 yuan, and the interest rate per year can be 200,000 yuan, which is profit-seeking."

"Fifty horses on land, one hundred and sixty cattle, two hundred and fifty sheep, two hundred and fifty pigs in grass sieve, and fish ponds with an annual yield of 1,000 stones of fish in the water, and one thousand large trees in the mountains. There are thousands of jujube trees in Anyi; there are thousands of chestnut trees in Yan and Qin; there are thousands of orange trees in Chu; there are thousands of mulberry and hemp trees in Qi and Lu; there are thousands of acres of bamboo in Qinchuan, and there are thousands of acres of fertile land with a yield of one minute acres in the suburbs, or thousands of acres of gardenia, mad grass, ginger, and leeks... After pursuing profits, people like this can earn 200,000 yuan a year."

"But if there is a fief of four thousand households, each household in the fief pays 50 yuan of rent and taxes every year, and it will also earn 200,000 yuan per year."

"If we are chasing 200,000 yuan, we are wrong? Those people can do it? Since we say profit-seeking, what's the difference?"

After the tall man finished speaking, he didn't want to laugh when he told the man just now, because just a few months ago, he had just learned this content, so he hurriedly said, "There is a difference here."

"The Mohist school said that wealth is obtained by labor and can be increased. Therefore, based on this inference, the nobles who have fiefs are all worms. This is not an insult, but only inferred by the art of reasoning."

"Look, the people who have fiefdoms did nothing. They just sit there and get income from the fief every year."

"If a person who produces fields such as gardenia, madness, ginger, etc. needs to invest capital, wage labor, and self-management. It is different from those who have fiefdoms and do nothing."

"The management and existence of these people have indeed increased the sum of the world's wealth."

"And those who have fiefs did not increase the sum of the world's wealth. This is the difference. This is also a criterion for judging whether it is beneficial to the world."

He learned very little, but only learned these budding theories of the bourgeoisie, or the most inflammatory theories that destroyed the rational foundation of the aristocratic fiefs, which was enough to tell the difference between the things that a tall man said.

However, these alone are enough to make the two men who could be called Mr. more than ten years ago speechless. This fallacy theory is enough to fundamentally destroy the rationality of the nobles' fiefdoms, and can justify the fiefdom aristocrats being "in the sense of theory".

Now that I have said this, I am no longer speculating, and the wine will tasteless when I drink it.

The tall man could only hum after hatred, "It sounds nice to say that getting rich by working hard. I don't believe that those who earn 200,000 yuan a year in this world all get wealth from labor. How did they get it before? I'm afraid that if you have to go into it, it's a pest of a sycamore?"

"Forget it, Confucius once said that the Tao is not clear and cannot be planned. You and I are old friends, but we have seen each other again for ten years. The Tao is different. This meal of wine is not as happy as the old friends."

This involved a dispute over ideas, and the man was not willing to let it go and said solemnly: "If this is the case, I think you and the two of you will come to see Solusan, which is different."

The tall man laughed and said, "I saw Solusan because I didn't want to discuss the truth. I had other things. Well, I don't have the appetite to drink this wine today. When you go back, you tell Solusan and say that I invited him to meet. In short, the young master sent ten people to follow him west, and he couldn't all become Mozhe and enter the Mo family. I always want to bring back those who are not Mozhe."

The man stood up and said, "Since that's the case, I will go back and announce it."

After saying that, the tall and short men looked at the person who had left for a long time, looked at each other, and the short man couldn't help but say, "Now the Mo family's meaning has been fulfilled, and it cannot be refuted by the art of knowledge. Such a truth can be spread throughout the world soon. These are all appropriate ideas, and this is indeed a person who is in trouble in the world."

The tall man thought for a while and shook his head and said, "It's impossible to refute. We have forgotten the Mo family's debate for many years."

"Now, think about it carefully, this is actually a trap. If you agree that he says that the increase in national wealth is due to labor, then no matter how you infer it, it is the same."

"But if we can refute from the root that the increase in wealth comes from labor, then their conclusion is wrong."

"He said that the increase in wealth comes from labor, and I also said that the increase in wealth comes from land. But... I am afraid it is difficult to argue this systematically."

The short man waved his hand and said, "Stop it, let's argue with the old Mo family, you and I don't have the ability to debate. The fifty-four are still there, and now they are in their prime. Who in the world can argue with him?"

"In my opinion, Shengchuo's idea is correct. It is strictly forbidden to spread the various theories in Qin, blocking the eyes and ears of the people. Taking officials as their teachers only takes Zi, Mo Zi Shangtong's first half - only out of context, everything is right; everything is wrong must be wrong; and not discussing the later statements of gathering the common sense, measuring the heavenly will, and judging right and wrong."

"In my opinion, Handan is rich, but in a wealthy place, the people will have more ideas, so they will not be easily perished, and they will be easily bewitched by the Mohist theories. Therefore, the Qin land cannot be like this, otherwise the Qin land will be bitter and cold, and by the same means, it will not be able to compete with the Central Plains of Hedong."

The tall man waved his hand and said, "These things are not used to reason. You and I rebel against Mo back then, and it was impossible for us to agree with the concept of benefiting the world. If we follow the Mo family's morality, the world is the world of the world, and benefiting the world's people is considered to benefit the world. We are wrong to do that."

"But if the country is judged by the country, our country is like one person, and our transformation in Qin is right. The ultimate goal is still to be the purpose. What you and I pursue is fame, fiefdom and wealth, and they pursue benefits to the world. The standards for evaluating right and wrong are different, and there is nothing to talk about with them."

"As long as we do what we want to do well, it is best to avoid talking about it and not argue that we are doing it right. Only talk about our own interests, not right or wrong. Only in this way can we continue to talk with the Mohist school, otherwise we will definitely return without success."

"Solu Chan was originally good at eloquence, although it was not as good as it was, but now the Mohist morality has been completed and the square is already drawn. If you have no intention of arguing, you can easily anger the other party... Remember not to talk about it."

The two of them came here naturally for another purpose. Of course, it was not as simple as Solusan returning from the west to come to see the old man.

The short man heard this and smiled, "You are right, but why did you argue with that man before?"

The tall man sighed and said, "I thought I could argue and win it. I didn't expect the Mohist organization to be too terrible. Theories are self-contained and the upper and lower parts are in a synonymous way. This ordinary person who I had no impression of back then could argue with me and I couldn't win it... This is what I didn't expect, and this is also the terrifying thing about the Mohist school."

"They want everyone to become a scholar. Ten thousand Mos are ten thousand soldiers. Even if the countries in the world are as powerful as Wei, can there be ten thousand soldiers?"

"What scares them is that some people who were originally inferior to you and me can now argue with you and me. What they see, hear, talk and discuss are all formed by gathering all righteousness. Behind each person, there are tens of thousands of people, and the monarchs of the Central Plains have no idea what this means."

The short man thought for a while and nodded, "It's so. It's really terrible. Hey, speaking of it, do you regret the incident in Shangqiu twenty years ago?"
Chapter completed!